For those of you who like conspiracies.
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Shockadee
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This article you posted seems to line up with this marine marksman's analysis, which indicates it was likely a smaller round as well. The entry and exit wount are consistent with something smaller than a .30 cal round.
He also notes there's nothing 200 yards away that the shooter could have shot from as the roof is about 80m away in the direction the shot seems to have come from. He also explains the shirt movement by demonstrating the use of an earpiece and mic around his neck moving from the shockwave.
Overall interesting video that aligns with your article.
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ltakvGyzfZs
He also notes there's nothing 200 yards away that the shooter could have shot from as the roof is about 80m away in the direction the shot seems to have come from. He also explains the shirt movement by demonstrating the use of an earpiece and mic around his neck moving from the shockwave.
Overall interesting video that aligns with your article.
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ltakvGyzfZs
CaptainTrouble
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The problem is that the video you posted suggested Charlie was shot from the right and the guy in the OP was standing to Charlie's left. However, watching this video the youtuber coincidently shows the frames with the OP guy in it. There's something odd going on with the brownshirt guy for sure. If you watch it frame by frame (around 14:00 mark), you'll see his right hand clearly have an opening between the middle and ring finger. It's not a reflection. No one holds their hand like this comfortably. Even the way the guy is resting his left-arm looks a little off. It appears as if he's using his left arm to steady his right hand while his right hand grasps something that is potentially protruding from between the ring and middle finger. It does look a lot like what the OP is suggesting.
Now, the video you linked suggests the neck is an exit wound but he suggests that based on the size alone which isn't actually enough info without knowing the bullet. He pulls up a chart where he concludes based on the chart it was probably a 9mm based on the exit wound size. Well, I pulled up a youtube video of a guy testing a .32 rimfire which is the bullet suggested given the palm firing weapon. The size of the entry wound of a .32 rimfire is similar to the exit wound of a 9mm (possibly actually bigger and appears to align with Charlie's neck wound as an entry wound of a .32 rimfire rather than an exit wound).
However, that's as far as the conspiracy goes. The brown shirt guy could have easily have been holding onto a vape for all we know. Charlie's body movement (ragdoll effect) and the way his neck moves directly after the shot all appear to line-up with being shot head-on. The bullet/rifle they suggest took that shot would have a similarly sized entry hole as what was seen on Kirk's neck. Also, ironically the guy in this video you posted talks about how you can see the reflection of a muzzle flash on a window but doesn't explain how a shot supposedly from the right of Charlie could reflect off a window pointed to the left of Charlie. That's now how reflection's work. The shot would have had to come from the front-left for the muzzle flash reflection to show. He suggests given the timing of when Kirk was hit and the muzzle flash reflect, the shot would have had to come from 200 yards which is what we're told the shot came from. This muzzle flash would disprove the close-up OP brownshirt theory also. The second video guy says it must not have been a muzzle flash then because he has to discount it for it to work for his came from the right-shot idea.
I'm pretty open to conspiracy theories but it seems even the conspiracy theorists are finding evidence to suggest the shot from the 200 yards away from came from the front.
Still, I don't trust what the government tells us.
Now, the video you linked suggests the neck is an exit wound but he suggests that based on the size alone which isn't actually enough info without knowing the bullet. He pulls up a chart where he concludes based on the chart it was probably a 9mm based on the exit wound size. Well, I pulled up a youtube video of a guy testing a .32 rimfire which is the bullet suggested given the palm firing weapon. The size of the entry wound of a .32 rimfire is similar to the exit wound of a 9mm (possibly actually bigger and appears to align with Charlie's neck wound as an entry wound of a .32 rimfire rather than an exit wound).
However, that's as far as the conspiracy goes. The brown shirt guy could have easily have been holding onto a vape for all we know. Charlie's body movement (ragdoll effect) and the way his neck moves directly after the shot all appear to line-up with being shot head-on. The bullet/rifle they suggest took that shot would have a similarly sized entry hole as what was seen on Kirk's neck. Also, ironically the guy in this video you posted talks about how you can see the reflection of a muzzle flash on a window but doesn't explain how a shot supposedly from the right of Charlie could reflect off a window pointed to the left of Charlie. That's now how reflection's work. The shot would have had to come from the front-left for the muzzle flash reflection to show. He suggests given the timing of when Kirk was hit and the muzzle flash reflect, the shot would have had to come from 200 yards which is what we're told the shot came from. This muzzle flash would disprove the close-up OP brownshirt theory also. The second video guy says it must not have been a muzzle flash then because he has to discount it for it to work for his came from the right-shot idea.
I'm pretty open to conspiracy theories but it seems even the conspiracy theorists are finding evidence to suggest the shot from the 200 yards away from came from the front.
Still, I don't trust what the government tells us.
d01tg0d0wn
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brutana_dilewski
Exercise is for women.
Canada Eh
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Next thing you'll tell me the titanic didn't really hit an ice berg. Or jfk killer wasn't the real killer. Or 911 was an inside US government job. Or covid was an experiment hoax. You people are crazy, and probably right. I agree with them all. Charlie deserved better. Guy was a real one. There are no coincidences. This one, who knows. Crazy fuckers
ChevChelios
Senex iratus sum
All I know for sure is that I'd love to have a palm-held revolver and will never get to own one before I die
ayn_rands_ghost
Commie Crusher
Beers2Freedom
A Carney runs CLOWNADA
This guy watches too many movies.
1.)Making a shot like that without aiming would be very difficult.
2.) You can hear the shot, it echoes off the buildings. It was a high caliber round. Not some tiny palm pistol.
The rest is fucking looney tunes. He "recovered" the round and placed a dummy round. That's some schizo bullshit right there. Like someone wouldn't notice him digging around in Charlie's neck? He had people all around him.
No, no and no.
CaptainTrouble
Active Member
Remember, the same people who brought you covid-19 bring you Charlie Kirk killer info.
The government cannot be trusted.
Go with your gut. Who benefits from Charlie's death? Shapiro is already trying to steal the mantle. Who contacted Charlie for a meeting that Charlie never attended? Netanyahu. What group of people would the government lie and cover up for? Too many cohencidences here.
The government cannot be trusted.
Go with your gut. Who benefits from Charlie's death? Shapiro is already trying to steal the mantle. Who contacted Charlie for a meeting that Charlie never attended? Netanyahu. What group of people would the government lie and cover up for? Too many cohencidences here.
Squishybear
Based Member
No muzzle flash on those? I mean the guys hand is right there… I would hav expected some sort of flash. No heat coming off of those? Considering he’s holding it in his hand like that.
I don’t know hence the questions.
Also what’s the data on personal security and cops at the event? Considering most conspiracies so far have been about his security making hand signals and what not…
I don’t know hence the questions.
Also what’s the data on personal security and cops at the event? Considering most conspiracies so far have been about his security making hand signals and what not…
FiatFallacy
It's monopoly money
There's a lot of muddying of the waters on this with ridiculous theories. The official story seems really suspicious as well. Wrapped up perfectly so both sides are fighting over the big distraction of trans issues.
If I remove all the fog, I see a man who was successfully navigating the young minds of the country away from communism and towards Christian nationalism. The communists have been indoctrinating young minds in universities for nearly 100 years. It is one of the most important things to their plans. Charlie knew this. This hijacking obviously could not stand. Something had to be done.
Or maybe it was a scrawny gayboy who magically got onto a roof and shot Charlie in the neck at range so his trans furry boyfriend would be happy, then escaped for days so he could later confess the whole thing over text message and explain his entire motive like a manifesto (which of course there must be one, right?).
Which one sounds more plausible?
If I remove all the fog, I see a man who was successfully navigating the young minds of the country away from communism and towards Christian nationalism. The communists have been indoctrinating young minds in universities for nearly 100 years. It is one of the most important things to their plans. Charlie knew this. This hijacking obviously could not stand. Something had to be done.
Or maybe it was a scrawny gayboy who magically got onto a roof and shot Charlie in the neck at range so his trans furry boyfriend would be happy, then escaped for days so he could later confess the whole thing over text message and explain his entire motive like a manifesto (which of course there must be one, right?).
Which one sounds more plausible?
I don't care how professional this alleged assassin is, I can't think of anything less accurate than a 22 short fired from a palm gun held at waist level. The effective range quoted in the article is up to 15 feet and anyone would have a hard time hitting a target 15 feet in diameter at that distance. I'm not saying I believe everything we're being told, but a deranged furry-tranny-lover shooting from a rooftop is much, much more believable than this particular theory. If this was some evil plot by the tiny hat people, they just made the movement even stronger by martyring a great man. This isn't going to silence TPUSA or any other conservative voice out there, it only adds fuel to the fire.
Meanwhile, we know the left is violent, insane, and incredibly stupid, and this seems like exactly what they would do to prove a point. The text messages read like a cover up to protect co-conspirators or handlers. Again, I'm not saying there isn't more to this story than we're being told or denying that it isn't some kind of distraction, but as someone who's done a fair bit of shooting/hunting I can say that this wasn't a 22 short fired from a palm gun held at waist level.
Meanwhile, we know the left is violent, insane, and incredibly stupid, and this seems like exactly what they would do to prove a point. The text messages read like a cover up to protect co-conspirators or handlers. Again, I'm not saying there isn't more to this story than we're being told or denying that it isn't some kind of distraction, but as someone who's done a fair bit of shooting/hunting I can say that this wasn't a 22 short fired from a palm gun held at waist level.
Hirudinea
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" If this was some evil plot by the tiny hat people, they just made the movement even stronger by martyring a great man. This isn't going to silence TPUSA or any other conservative voice out there, it only adds fuel to the fire."
Well the theory is that Charlie was starting to question the tribe, he was starting to question the shit in Gaza, etc., when he had been Zionist before, so they took him out before he could turn TPUSA against them. Now that he's dead he can be Pro-Zionist forever and Shapiro or someone other tribe member can take over TPUSA. Or at least that's the theory.
Well the theory is that Charlie was starting to question the tribe, he was starting to question the shit in Gaza, etc., when he had been Zionist before, so they took him out before he could turn TPUSA against them. Now that he's dead he can be Pro-Zionist forever and Shapiro or someone other tribe member can take over TPUSA. Or at least that's the theory.
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I understand that, but if they're as conniving as they're portrayed they must be aware that they'd be under suspicion, no? The whole world already hates them, especially liberal college students. I don't think they actually had anything to gain by having a hand in this. Just my thoughts though.
brutana_dilewski
Exercise is for women.
it's a solid theory - many of the younger generation see through this nonsense. My guess is Charlie was approached and possibly bribed/threatened and when that didn't work, they made good on their promises.
I think it's too late anyway, the cat's out of the bag with the young people.
If Ben Shapiro appears on stage the same way Charlie did it would lead credence to this theory - they won't shoot one of their own.
I think it's too late anyway, the cat's out of the bag with the young people.
If Ben Shapiro appears on stage the same way Charlie did it would lead credence to this theory - they won't shoot one of their own.
Hirudinea
12" Member
@a_tractor
Sure, they know they're under suspicions, but they are arrogant, they believe that they can, one, use his organization to still steer many youth without him, and two, they believe that they can still scream "Antisemitism!" and most people will fall into line. Kirk was falling out of line, he was threatened before his assassination and didn't react as they wanted so capping him was probably, they thought, in their best interests. And I think the tribe isn't interested in Liberal college students when working with TPUSA, they want the next generation of Christian Zionists. I can't prove it but if I had to bet I would say the people ultimate responsible for Charlie Kirks killing wear jew beanies.
Sure, they know they're under suspicions, but they are arrogant, they believe that they can, one, use his organization to still steer many youth without him, and two, they believe that they can still scream "Antisemitism!" and most people will fall into line. Kirk was falling out of line, he was threatened before his assassination and didn't react as they wanted so capping him was probably, they thought, in their best interests. And I think the tribe isn't interested in Liberal college students when working with TPUSA, they want the next generation of Christian Zionists. I can't prove it but if I had to bet I would say the people ultimate responsible for Charlie Kirks killing wear jew beanies.
@Hirudinea
Understandable. We know that the commie clubs like antifa and whatever else the militant alphabet degenerates call themselves are often funded by tiny hat types, so no stretch to say there's responsibility there. And the MSM that smeared everyone on the right as a nazi for the last decade or more is also to blame and we all know who owns/controls many of those companies...
I do believe that this tranny loving loser decided to take matters into his own hands (brainwashed or not) in this case. We all know the leftists are violent, full of hate, and completely convinced that everyone on the right is a nazi. The shot wasn't overly difficult. This asshole was turned in by his own father, even though he (hopefully) may get the death penalty. It wasn't like the JFK assassination where (allegedly) Oswald hit a moving target twice from the 6th floor with a shitty surplus rifle and was then gunned down himself in the police station right after claiming to be a patsy.
I wish I had never seen the video on X when I first heard Charlie had been shot. I've seen plenty on the internet that I wish I hadn't, but that was the worst. It really shook me up. I will not ever willingly watch it again to look for 'clues' or anything else. If there's any good that can come out of this, it's that more people will be able to see the evil that's out there and decide to choose good.
Anyway, my main point was that palm guns are shit.
Understandable. We know that the commie clubs like antifa and whatever else the militant alphabet degenerates call themselves are often funded by tiny hat types, so no stretch to say there's responsibility there. And the MSM that smeared everyone on the right as a nazi for the last decade or more is also to blame and we all know who owns/controls many of those companies...
I do believe that this tranny loving loser decided to take matters into his own hands (brainwashed or not) in this case. We all know the leftists are violent, full of hate, and completely convinced that everyone on the right is a nazi. The shot wasn't overly difficult. This asshole was turned in by his own father, even though he (hopefully) may get the death penalty. It wasn't like the JFK assassination where (allegedly) Oswald hit a moving target twice from the 6th floor with a shitty surplus rifle and was then gunned down himself in the police station right after claiming to be a patsy.
I wish I had never seen the video on X when I first heard Charlie had been shot. I've seen plenty on the internet that I wish I hadn't, but that was the worst. It really shook me up. I will not ever willingly watch it again to look for 'clues' or anything else. If there's any good that can come out of this, it's that more people will be able to see the evil that's out there and decide to choose good.
Anyway, my main point was that palm guns are shit.
Hirudinea
12" Member
@a_tractor
Sure, this particular theory may be BS but the official story is kind of fishy too and the Tribe angle does seem to make sense, that's all I'm saying.
Sure, this particular theory may be BS but the official story is kind of fishy too and the Tribe angle does seem to make sense, that's all I'm saying.