Obligatory gas vehicles thread

[border_humper]

EV sales collapse by 35% as gas car purchases surge: StatsCan

While Canadians flocked to purchase gas-powered vehicles over the summer, electric vehicle sales continued to nosedive, according to new data from Statistics Canada. Electric vehicle sales dropped 35.2 per cent in June compared to last year. Zero-emission vehicles comprised only 7.9 per cent of t

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While Canadians flocked to purchase gas-powered vehicles over the summer, electric vehicle sales continued to nosedive, according to new data from Statistics Canada.

Electric vehicle sales dropped 35.2 per cent in June compared to last year. Zero-emission vehicles comprised only 7.9 per cent of total new motor vehicles sold that month, with 14,090 entering the market.

Meanwhile, 177,313 new motor vehicles were sold in Canada in June, up 6.2 per cent from June 2024.

“In dollar terms, sales increased 3.1 per cent during the same period. In June 2025, there were more new motor vehicles sold in every province compared with the same period in 2024,” reads the Statistics Canada data.

“Sales of new passenger cars increased 19.5 per cent in June 2025, marking the first gain in this subsector since November 2024. In June 2025, sales of new trucks (+4.3 per cent) were also higher than one year earlier.”

Despite dwindling sales, the Carney government remains committed to its electric vehicle mandate of having 60 per cent of all vehicles sold be ZEVs by 2030 and 100 per cent by 2035, banning all motor vehicle sales.

A recent Leger poll found that Canadians largely reject the 2035 EV ban, with nearly 70 per cent saying it’s unrealistic, while 71 per cent said the mandate should be repealed.

Most Liberal voters also oppose the mandate. Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre has warned the mandate would cost at least $300 billion in grid upgrades and charging stations, while destroying rural communities and wiping out Canada’s auto sector.

Prime Minister Mark Carney was warned by auto industry leaders in May that refusing to repeal the mandate would have an industry-wide negative impact, affecting thousands of Canadians employed by those companies.

The letter, signed by the CEOs of Ford, General Motors, Honda, Toyota and Stellantis, was dated May 26.

It warns that “if the mandate is not urgently repealed, it will inflict serious damage on automakers, the dealership network, and the hundreds of thousands of Canadians employed in the sector.”

Carney met with several of the signatories in July to discuss the ongoing Canada-U.S. trade dispute, which has threatened the auto industry with tariffs.

Several CEOs reportedly raised concerns about revoking the mandate during that meeting, but the Carney government has yet to act.

When will retarded Liberal MPs be forced to acknowledge that their boomer voters are still buying ICE vehicles?

 

[RightOfSask]

Meanwhile, 177,313 new motor vehicles were sold in Canada in June, up 6.2 per cent from June 2024.

People out there are really struggling, eh?

 

[ChevChelios]

Surely this just means that credit is as easily available as ever and most Canadians are still in debt up to their eyeballs?

 

[Pissedoffcanadia]

Also, look at the jused car market. Prices are still way over inflated. When a 2 year old car is still "worth" within a few thousand dollars, it doesn't make sense to buy the used. Ill take the new and know what Im getting.

 

[brutana_dilewski]

To be fair, I expect that some of these vehicles will also serve as a place of residence.

 

[Hirudinea]

Well out of 40+ million? I mean there have to be some people who have to replace their vehicles and are lucky enough to be able to purchase new.

 

[416_Refugee]

I would want to see June car sales numbers over the past 10 years to make an argument either way. I imagine there's a bit of pent-up demand from uncertainty, and people are now having to make a move. Also, RTO might be affecting this as well.

The reality is that the average age of the entire US fleet has been going up, we must be on the same course... My fleet of 2 is 15+ years old.

 

[BeerAndOil]

Uber has a cut off. All the new jeets need a base model white honda civic to shuttle drunks around and fetch people their dinners.

Financed of course at 18%

 

[416_Refugee]

@BeerAndOil Oh man, fucking Hyundai Elantras. 3-4 jeets will go in together on one, and run it 24/7. They'll spend some of their first profits on a great big "HARYANA" vinyl decal for the back window, one with the outline of the state and maybe an AK-47.

I was considering getting an "ONTARIO" decal, with an outline of Ontario as well as an outline of a Lee Enflield No. 4 rifle (nearly all of which were made at Long Branch arsenal in Mississauga) just to be an edgelord.

 

[Nink]

Many foreigners get zero percent auto loans. How do I know. I worked in insurance and ask questions.

 

[416_Refugee]

Was this before or after ride sharing apps?

 

[Shockadee]

These are probably halal loans. Muslims are not allowed to pay or collect interest. They usually just build the interest into the monthly payment.

 

[416_Refugee]

@Shockadee Yeah, exactly - muslim guy told me that whole thing is bullshit, they just tack on exorbitant (usurious, you might say) "service fees".

 

[BeerAndOil]

@416_Refugee Surely God, who is all knowing, knows that service fees and interest are different spins on usury.

 

[Shockadee]

@BeerAndOil Seems like the entire jewish religion revolves around "tricking god" a la the chicken thing, so i'm not surprised the muslims try to do it too....

 

[ChevChelios]

@Shockadee: There's a little bit of this in all religions. If a rule is especially stupid but you can't get rid of it because it's existed for centuries, you find a legalistic workaround (e.g. Catholics are forbidden to divorce, so they get "annulments" instead)

 

[Hirudinea]

@416_Refugee

It's a legal dodge to fool "God", nobody is giving money away.

 

[MuchoRelax0]

The hype has died off and reality has sunk in…has anyone seen the price and quality of these new vehicles. I’ll keep my pre covid gasser as long as possible.

 

[border_humper]

Same, mine is old now, but I bought it new and took care of it. Had it 12 years and 130K clicks on it now. Use it to commute. Hope I can get another four years out of her. Zero percent financing back when I bought her.

 

[abcdefg]

Only had it for 12 years and you’re worried about it lasting another 4 years?! Is it a BMW?

 

[d01tg0d0wn]

@border_humper i have a 3500 lbs 2004 v6 3.5l 250 hp crossover and it destroys new cars and even gives some of the new electrics a run for the money. I do all the work on it and keep in mint shape, Even recently restored interior. You can get as many years out of a vehicle as you want if you take care of it and maintain it. You will get another 4 years.

 

[Johnny Smith]

@d01tg0d0wn Unfortunately if you need to drive it all winter regardless of the weather like I do, salt will eat it up...

 

[border_humper]

@Johnny Smith This, she’s not exactly pristine anymore.

 

[Johnny Smith]

@border_humper I have to remind my mechanic to not use one of the lift points... it's disintegrated aha but otherwise she runs perfect!

 

[Hirudinea]

@Johnny Smith

Have to get an undercoating every year.

 

[d01tg0d0wn]

@Johnny Smith i keep salt off by reg washes. Sleeps in a comfy garage in winter and goes from garage to garage in summer i.e work and home. Exterior is polymer and nylon mix. Cant rust. Under neath i redo the protective coating every 5 years or so if needed. Its my wifes crossover for play and work. She loves it

I recommend going under the vehicle if older and remove rust manually and repaint, clear coat and redo the undercoat protection that might be failing. If you dont have any then i recommend getting it done before major damage sets in

 

[Hirudinea]

EV sales collapse by 35% as gas car purchases surge: StatsCan

While Canadians flocked to purchase gas-powered vehicles over the summer, electric vehicle sales continued to nosedive, according to new data from Statistics Canada. Electric vehicle sales dropped 35.2 per cent in June compared to last year. Zero-emission vehicles comprised only 7.9 per cent of t

truenorthwire.com

When will retarded Liberal MPs be forced to acknowledge that their boomer voters are still buying ICE vehicles?

border_humper
Well say goodbye to automobile manufacturing in Canada.

 

[Shockadee]

Opinion on hybrid?

Maintenance issues,. Parts, etc?

Im in the market... Too many kids means the old car isn't gonna work.

 

[TOPDAWG]

Not bad—I looked up a used Ford Fusion, and the batteries were around $5,000 to replace when I checked. No idea why we skipped over that tech. It’s like they don’t want people cutting their gas use in half; they only want an all-or-nothing push to no gas at all. I asked AI here is what it said.

Here’s what I found on the cost to replace a hybrid (high-voltage) battery pack in a Ford Fusion Hybrid in Canada:

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Canada-Based Price Estimates​

• Global Hybrid Batteries (Ontario-based) offers remanufactured packs with high-capacity cells:
  • 2010–2012 models: ~CAD $1,395 (down from $1,850) Wikipedia+10Global Hybrid Battery+10Global Hybrid Battery+10
  • 2013–2015 models: ~CAD $1,995 (down from $2,350) Global Hybrid Battery+1
• Greentec Auto Canada lists:
  • Remanufactured battery for 2010–2012: CAD $1,550 (18-month warranty)
  • Remanufactured battery for 2013–2015: CAD $2,350 (18‑month warranty)
  • New-generation battery for 2013–2015: CAD $2,950 (36‑month warranty) Best Hybrid Batteries+6greentecauto.ca+6Greentec Auto+6

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Other Reported Price Ranges (U.S.-Based for Reference)​

• Greentec Auto (U.S.) estimates overall replacement costs (battery + labor) at USD $1,550 to $2,950 depending on model year and options Greentec Auto.
• A Yelp user quoted USD $2,700 (presumably ~CAD $3,600–3,800) for a 2013 Fusion Hybrid battery replacement (with 2-year warranty) Yelp.
• CarGurus forum notes dealerships charging USD $5,000+ just for the battery (without labor), while used/budget options go for around USD $2,000 (~CAD $2,600) CarGurus.
• Reddit users estimate around USD $2,500 (approx. CAD $3,200) for a DIY-sourced replacement battery Reddit.

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Summary Table​

Model Year Range	Estimated Cost (CAD)	Notes
2010–2012 (Reman)	$1,395 – $1,550	Remanufactured, with warranty
2013–2015 (Reman)	$1,995 – $2,350	Remanufactured, with warranty
2013–2015 (New Cells)	$2,950	New-gen battery with extended warranty
Dealership Estimate	~$3,600+	Based on USD $2,700 quote by user
DIY / U.S. Sourced	~$2,600 – $3,200	Used or budget battery options
Dealer Supply Only	$6,500+?	USD $5,000+ converted to CAD

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Insights​

• Canadian replacement prices for remanufactured batteries fall roughly between CAD $1,400 and $2,350, with fully new packs going up to CAD $2,950.
• Dealership quotes and parts from the U.S. market suggest the real-world costs (especially including labor or more premium sourcing) can rise to CAD $3,000+.
• DIY routes or salvage-based options can lower costs, but involve complexity and risk—especially since hybrid batteries require safe handling.

 

[Chobes]

Careful with the Ford fusion. My buddies battery died after a few years then Ford couldn't get the replacement battery even though the price wasn't exorbitant. After 6 months Ford bought the car back because the batteries were never coming.

 

[416_Refugee]

They are good - friend had a late 00's Camry hybrid, it was amazing, 300-400k km's on it without major issues - but I think not very profitable as they are quite complex. $$$ needed from government to make the business case work, and government saying "No, electric only!" so they've kinda died out a bit.

I wrote a paper back in the late 90s saying that they would be the bridge to hydrogen and that battery cars were not to be taken seriously. I stand by this, we're just taking the really fucking long path.

 

[Hirudinea]

If it wasn't for government force full EVs would still be a niche tech. The batteries just aren't there.

 

[Beers2Freedom]

My wife is in the process of buying a car now. It's crazy how expensive used cars are now. The market is ridiculously over charged. People are gouging the market for everything, not just used vehicles. Charging almost new prices for everything.

I can sell my truck today for more than I bought it for 10 years ago. That's ridiculous.

 

[TOPDAWG]

Yeah, I had to deal with this about a year and a half ago when I got rear-ended. Used cars were, at best, only about $4,000 cheaper than new ones. I ended up just getting a brand new 2024 Nissan Qashqai—not a bad little small SUV. Mainly, I just wanted all-wheel drive for Calgary winters.

 

[hugh_madd]

There’s just too many fucking bodies here.

 

[416_Refugee]

@Beers2Freedom prices are definitely up and supply is down for sure; the high prices are also a reflection of the devaluation of the dollar as well. Convert your prices to gold and you may see a different picture; ie how many ounces of gold was it worth when you bought it, and how many ounces now?

@hugh_madd It's like watching a drunk trying to avoid a hangover but continuing to drink for days... weeks... months... thinking he's never going to have to pay the piper.

 

[Nink]

Its not just gougers its a supply demand for both the currency being used for purchase and also for the vehicle itself. Add mass immigration and the theft syndicates that are fueled by foreign criminals and the answer to seeing the prices come down would be to back off on immigration and crack down on crime. Of course the government hasn't even announced a budget because they spend too much relative to what they are bringing in so they won't care about the higher price of autos since they get more money per sale every time a car needs to be replaced because it was stolen. Also partial to why your insurance premiums are on the upward climb. Everything is designed to break in an accident to protect the occupants of the vehicle. A simple bumper replacement isn't simply replacing a bumper - there are sensors in ever nook and cranny inside modern vehicles which driver up repair costs. what might have cost few thousand dollars to repair a decade or more ago cost twice to three times the amount.

Hopefully with the tossing out of the CAFE standards we can get some compact, affordable vehicles that don't have every bell and whistle under the sun. A simple rudimentary vehicle would sell like hotcakes these days. Especially if priced right. Unfortunately most folks buy second hand but the fist hand buyers want every shiny item they can find and auto manufacturers don't sell to second hand markets on purpose.

 

[TOPDAWG]

When it’s time to go back to the polls, the Liberals will kill this BS and then act like they accomplished something—just like they did with the BS carbon tax. “Look at us, we got rid of the mess we created.”

 

[Thinker]

Carbon tax is still in the books. They simply temporary nullified the consumer end of it.

 

[Squishybear]

We bought a 1990 ford crown Vic ltd for 1k. Dropped a brand new tranny in it for 3.5k, new tires another 1k, some minor work… most comfy car ever.

And it doesn’t bitch and moan constantly… and did I mention it’s super comfy? And it’s got a huge windshield that makes it seem like you’re just sitting around watching the world…