Crime 'Self defence' with illegal handguns is OK in Canada (*some restrictions apply)

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Jury acquits teen who claimed self-defence in fatal Toronto school shooting, saying he carried gun because his neighbourhood was ‘like Iraq’


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Jury acquits teen who claimed self-defence in fatal Toronto school shooting, saying he carried gun because his neighbourhood was ‘like Iraq’

The teen, now 20, testified he started carrying a gun when he realized his Scarborough neighbourhood was unsafe “like Iraq,” where he’d lived as a child.
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A Toronto jury on Friday acquitted a 20-year-old man of second-degree murder, accepting his claim that he fired four shots in self-defence, believing the victim — 18-year-old Jefferson Guerrier — was “lunging” at him with a knife outside a high school in the city’s east end.

The fatal shooting just as classes were ending for the day on Halloween in 2022, drew widespread attention due to the proximity to students, one of whom filmed the incident on their cellphone.

Jurors, who deliberated for about a day before returning to the downtown courtroom Friday afternoon, also found the man not guilty of reckless discharge of a firearm that resulted in his brother being shot.

The man was 17 at the time and was tried under the Youth Criminal Justice Act. His identity is covered under a standard publication ban; he remains in custody and returns to court next week to address a remaining firearms charge.
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“We are all very relieved,” defence lawyer, Kristen Dulysh, co-counsel with Jocelyn Heaton, wrote in an email to the Star.

The prosecution and defence agreed that the chain of events leading to the shooting began with an argument between the accused and a younger female student who took offence at the lyrics of a rap song he was listening to.

There was no question Guerrier — who wasn’t a student at the school, near Markham Road and Hwy. 401 — had a knife while the accused, a student, had a firearm. In her closing address earlier this week, Crown attorney Bev Olesko called him “the most dangerous person” at the school that afternoon.

Last month, the then-teen testified he initially thought Guerrier, who was wearing a ski mask, had a gun because he was “speed walking” toward him and his hands were in his pockets. The defence position was that Guerrier and two others came to the school to fight — though Olesko said there was no evidence of that. The victim didn’t know either the accused or the young girl from the initial altercation.

The accused testified he showed Guerrier he had a pistol tucked into his waistband in the hope he would realize “it’s a real gun.”

Instead, Guerrier started “lunging at me,” causing him to grab his pistol and pull the trigger.

“I was just trying to protect myself,” he told court.
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After firing the first shot, the defendant fell backward and fired three more times, one of the bullets striking his brother. “It was just like an instinctual reaction,” he told the jury. “I thought I was going to die ... I just wanted him to stop lunging towards me and swiping the knife.” Three shots hit Guerrier. A projectile also struck the accused’s brother, who had surgery and survived.

The Crown’s position is that Guerrier lunged at the accused in an attempt to disarm him.

“It is Mr. Guerrier who was defending himself,” Olesko said in her closing remarks. “It makes absolutely no sense that Mr. Guerrier attacks ... (the accused) with a knife when it is very clear” he had a gun.

“There is simply no contest between a gun and a knife — the person with the gun is always going to come away as the victor.”

Like many murder trials these days, video footage was key evidence. It included a cellphone video that captured the shooting — although both sides offered differing interpretations of what jurors were seeing. (The girl who recorded the video testified she took out her phone to record because she thought there was going to be a regular fight.)

After the shooting, the teen fled the scene. His wounded brother started to run with him before going to the hospital. The teen ran into a ravine and threw the gun into Highland Creek, and arranged for a friend to pick him up at a bus stop.

On the stand, he explained he didn’t turn himself in right away because he knew “no one would believe me,” that he had acted in self-defence.

A key question for the defence to answer was, why did a teenager with no criminal record have a gun?
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The accused testified he spent some of his childhood in Iraq, where there is a tradition of people shooting guns in the air at weddings and funerals. His “lenient” uncles let him shoot guns when his dad wasn’t around.

In Canada in his early teens, he learned about rising gun violence and deep-rooted local tensions, “the politics,” among local youth clashing with other neighbouring communities.

“It made me think OK, my neighbourhood is not as safe and not as stable as I thought ... like Iraq,” he testified last month.

A negative interaction with police led him to feel unprotected, he told the court. He and his brother were also shot at while walking his dog. So when a friend offered him a gun, he took it to protect himself, he said.

Canadian law allows for self-defence — but only under specific conditions and with proportionate force. Jurors were asked to consider whether his fear justified his actions, and whether his conduct was “reasonable,” in the circumstances.

In her closing address, Dulysh told the jury a reasonable person cannot be expected to know exactly what course of conduct or how much force is necessary when defending oneself. Jurors needed to factor in his young age and the “physical vulnerability” of falling backwards as he was shooting.

She pointed to her client’s testimony.

“When you’re in the moment, everything happens within a blink of an eye. You don’t have time to think,” he told court. He said, unlike the videos jurors watched throughout the trial, “you don’t have time to go frame by frame in the moment. It’s everything just happens quick.”
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Get a look at what kind of students attend the school

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ovarieasy said:
Jury acquits teen who claimed self-defence in fatal Toronto school shooting, saying he carried gun because his neighbourhood was ‘like Iraq’


www.thestar.com

Jury acquits teen who claimed self-defence in fatal Toronto school shooting, saying he carried gun because his neighbourhood was ‘like Iraq’

The teen, now 20, testified he started carrying a gun when he realized his Scarborough neighbourhood was unsafe “like Iraq,” where he’d lived as a child.
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Get a look at what kind of students attend the school

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6vZaTaLa0k
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ovarieasy

Wonderful, this gives me legal precedent for packing heat.
 
No you are not from Iraq like the shooter in this case.
 
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The accused testified he spent some of his childhood in Iraq, where there is a tradition of people shooting guns in the air at weddings and funerals. His “lenient” uncles let him shoot guns when his dad wasn’t around.
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In Canada in his early teens, he learned about rising gun violence and deep-rooted local tensions, “the politics,” among local youth clashing with other neighbouring communities.
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”It made me think OK, my neighbourhood is not as safe and not as stable as I thought ... like Iraq,” he testified last month.
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You didn’t actually think they’d let a White person carry a gun and shoot someone with it and walk, did you? ;)
 
Except if your white in which case they will throw the book at you, take all your shit and drag you through court for years draining you of all your money and sanity.

If you don’t kill yourself then you go to prison and your family resents you even if you were in the right.

But if your a nig nog, curry nigger or dune coon you can just appeal to the judges retarted liberal side and they will feel sorry for you. Wham bam thank you mam out of custody within a week and back on the street buying illegal guns and selling drugs.

My god I hate this stupid country.
 
“There is simply no contest between a gun and a knife — the person with the gun is always going to come away as the victor.”
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Another great example of the ignorance of the people who are making and administering laws around weapons.
 
Heck, I recall a video I saw about a decade ago that I believe came out of some South American country, where a suspect, whose crime I do not know; possibly a narco, was being surrounded by what looked like a swat team. The suspect had a knife, a long one, there were about 5+ police/swat with rifles keeping their distance, say less than 15 ft, while trying to surround the suspect. Eventually the suspect attacked, quickly and violently. He took down about 3 of them before one of them managed to fire one shot. It was brutal. Some of them ran from him even though they had a firearm.
 
So an Iraqi gang banger shoots and kills a kid with an illegal firearm and he gets off scot-free?

Why wasn't he tried as an adult? Oh it's because of DEI bullshit.

No self defense if you're white though.
 
So can I use the argument "this once great country now feels like one of those shithole muslim dumps"?
 
Indeed you can good sir

We all now can conceal carry on this precedent and should. Illegal hand guns and ammo for all.

Invaders and thugs beware
 
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