Liberals war on gas vehicles

[border_humper]

Majority of Canadians oppose banning sale of gas-powered vehicles

A majority of Canadians are opposed to the Liberal government’s plan to ban the sale of new gas and diesel passenger vehicles.

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A majority of Canadians are opposed to the Liberal government’s plan to ban the sale of new gas and diesel passenger vehicles.

A new poll from Léger commissioned by the Canadian Taxpayers Federation found that 60 per cent of decided Canadians are opposed to a national ban on the sale of all gas and diesel-powered vehicle sales by 2035.

Poilievre Vows to Scrap “Car(ney) Tax” as Conservatives, Liberals, and NDP Clash Over Canada’s Auto Future - NetNewsLedger

NetNewsLedger Politics – HALIFAX / OTTAWA – In a fiery campaign announcement from Halifax, Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre declared that a future Conservative government would scrap the so-called "Car(ney) Tax"—a $20,000 penalty he claims will be levied on manufacturers for exceeding new...

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In a fiery campaign announcement from Halifax, Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre declared that a future Conservative government would scrap the so-called “Car(ney) Tax”—a $20,000 penalty he claims will be levied on manufacturers for exceeding new federal quotas on gas-powered vehicle sales.

I had not been aware until this morning of the federal quota penalty. Madness!

 

[TOPDAWG]

Now Americans are not going with the EV bullshit who's going to make the fucking cars? You can't get Tesla's as all leftist hate Tesla's now.

 

[Hirudinea]

Do I have to say it an Mandarin?

 

[brutana_dilewski]

ICE - an affordable fuel source (taxes not withstanding)
Easy to fill up in 5 minutes and go.
A tank of gas can last hours on the highway and it's always easy to fill up again
Maximum freedom for minimal cost.

Electric -expensive, cumbersome and slow.
Charging can take hours - or even DAYS
Limited range and charging stations are far and few between.
Poor performance in bad weather
Battery has limited shelf life and will need replacement even if you get into a fender bender.
Always connected to the interweb so the govt can shut off your car if it doesn't like you.


hmmm now if I was an authoritarian dictatorship, which one would I want my subjects to have?

guaranteed law enforcement and military will still use ICE.

 

[416_Refugee]

Always connected to the interweb so the govt can shut off your car if it doesn't like you.

This can be done with ICE cars as well. Just crank up insurance/rego taxes on "legacy" cars to incentivize buying a new, grid connected car and you're done.

Japan's done this for years to stimulate their domestic auto market - tariff the shit out of foreign cars and make it financially not worthwhile to keep an older car - the used cars get shipped off to other RHD markets, mostly in the 3rd world.

 

[Hirudinea]

But you can get a pretty neat Kei car from Japan!

 

[border_humper]

You can also buy used Japanese cars and import them here. Was reading many are doing that because costs of new are still so high. Local guy started a business sourcing and importing Japanese used SUVs.

 

[416_Refugee]

@Hirudinea NGL I would love to get a full set of the Nissan Pike cars.

Also had some scary drives in former JDM cars in rural Jamaica, glad to have lived to talk about it.

 

[Hirudinea]

And of course when self driving becomes useable it will be made illegal for people to drive at all.

 

[jason73]

the EV is dead in the water . it was a pipe dream at best . i have owned stocks in several EV companies over the last several years hoping for the next tesla to happen. most of them after 5-10 years still dont have a vehicle in production.several of them have failed completely and gone tits up or are proven to be scams . now that the left hate musk and are vandalizing each others cars it is no longer cool or trendy to by one. now that the government has taken away electric car rebates there is no incentive for consumers to purchase one. the people who are going to buy an EV already own one and the people who think they are gay will never buy one . i personally will believe that the government is going to ban gas vehicles when i see the electrical infrastructure being improved to be able to support every home plugging a car in over night. right now they can barely support us all running our A/C units when it gets hot in the summer . it will be interesting to see which way thing go after the election. will peepee win and fire up oil and gas again or will carney win and continue on with the green agenda

 

[Hirudinea]

Hey I'm sure having invested in EV companies before you know the problem with all EVs, the battery (and the grid too, but that's not inherent to the car) and without a breakthrough in battery technology EVs are not ready for prime time, simple as.

 

[TOPDAWG]

Screw the battery issue—the real problem is charging these damn things. I hope people realize they’ll need to pump more watts into their house and maybe even get a dedicated line just for the car. No way in hell I’m parking somewhere and sitting in my car like an idiot while it charges.

EVs are fine for local trips, but anything else? Total bullshit. Those electric trucks are just pieces of shit on the road, good for nothing but looking like a truck.

 

[416_Refugee]

No way in hell I’m parking somewhere and sitting in my car like an idiot while it charges.

There's a Tesla charging station that I pass by at all hours of the day, and there's always a crowd there. 4am, 4pm; summer, winter, it doesn't matter. A few years in, I still chuckle quietly to myself and shake my head when I go cruising past. Fucking losers.

 

[Hirudinea]

@TOPDAWG

Yep, unless an EV can be charged as fast as you can gas up, forget it.

 

[jason73]

that is true . the battery is a huge obstacle . the system to charge the battery doesn't exist on a large enough level to be convenient to consumers yet either. i have a co worker with a tesla. she can plug it in at work but in the summer the thing runs a cooling cycle that takes as much power as she can provide by plugging it in to our shop. it just kind of maintains charge. it never builds charge . another problem with the batteries is almost nobody makes their own batteries . they are buying them from china. most of the other EV companies either have a prototype that was made in china that they are trying to shop to investors here or they are assembling a car here made out of entirely chinese parts and trying to call it made in the USA or Canada. there simply is not going to be another Tesla. that is the truth of it . the EV boom is over for now . there is no second place EV company that is going to rise up and take a huge part of the market . China has their own EVs . some of them are pretty baller and luxurious too. our government who is supposedly trying to force everyone in to buying a EV has put a 100% tariff on them. they are talking out both sides of their mouth like usual

 

[Rororo]

@jason73 BYD is probably the next best one.

 

[416_Refugee]

i personally will believe that the government is going to ban gas vehicles when i see the electrical infrastructure being improved to be able to support every home plugging a car in over night. right now they can barely support us all running our A/C units when it gets hot in the summer

You're thinking about this from the perspective of a logical person who is grounded in reality. This does not describe the people making these decisions.

In Toronto, they took lanes out of the major arterial roads to put fucking bike lanes in, as well as reduce speed limits to 40 almost everywhere. So, to 'fight traffic' you cut capacity in half, hmmmm. Various neighbourhoods have been up in arms about it, and at one point they did a town hall-type meeting where the city employees who did this put on some stupid presentation to justify themselves. They were just what you would expect - soy boys and ugly lesbionic cat ladies who have lots of degrees but no clue how the world actually works. They are representative of the unelected people in executive positions, running our governments. They are the kind of people that think meat comes from the grocery store, so why don't we tax all these nasty rich farmers for their making money while killing mother Gaia.

They're not interested in replacing ICE car infrastructure with electric, they want us all out of private car ownership. Some for idealistic reasons, others for totalitarian reasons.

 

[GeneralGrenade]

Nail on head. The low level morons that make these decisions might think these problems will magically solve themselves, but the elites know this will just reduce private car ownership for the average person over time.

Remember if they just come and try to take all of our shit people are gonna loose their minds, but if everything just “naturally” falls apart… well people are almost expecting that, aren’t they?

 

[Shockadee]

I think for EVs to be truely successful, the battery needs to be solid state, not chemical, and needs to function like a supercapacitor. A Supercapacitor can charge within minutes and discharges slow like a battery. Also probably a lot safer as its less likely to catch fire.

 

[Hirudinea]

Majority of Canadians oppose banning sale of gas-powered vehicles

A majority of Canadians are opposed to the Liberal government’s plan to ban the sale of new gas and diesel passenger vehicles.

www.junonews.com

Poilievre Vows to Scrap “Car(ney) Tax” as Conservatives, Liberals, and NDP Clash Over Canada’s Auto Future - NetNewsLedger

NetNewsLedger Politics – HALIFAX / OTTAWA – In a fiery campaign announcement from Halifax, Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre declared that a future Conservative government would scrap the so-called "Car(ney) Tax"—a $20,000 penalty he claims will be levied on manufacturers for exceeding new...

www.netnewsledger.com

I had not been aware until this morning of the federal quota penalty. Madness!

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Well if you want to keep you car, vote Tory, if you like riding a bike along the highway in January, vote Liberal.

 

[jason73]

if you want to ride a bike with no seat vote NDP

 

[Hirudinea]

No, that's still Liberal.

 

[Jagmeet Singh]

they sunk billions into these EV battery plants. You will own one by force. Also you will be forced into the city. Good luck with your shitty range elsewhere, if it starts.

 

[Hirudinea]

Well if your social credit score is too low don't count on it starting.

 

[Sgt. Goosenip]

We’ll have to get some tips from the Cubans on keeping our old cars on the road.

 

[Jagmeet Singh]

Well their salt is on the beach while ours is on the road.

 

[Hirudinea]

Well yes, but the Cuban government never said you can't drive ICE cars, ours says you can't drive new ones so how soon till they come after the used ones?

 

[BeerAndOil]

Modern vehicles are a joke. Water gets into the backup camera, a small amount of corrosion forms on the connector and causes an intermittent short, which brings down the CAN bus and the engine stops or goes into limp mode. Now imagine a modern electric car such as the Cybertruck with steering by wire instead of a physical linkage like every other vehicle in history. One short in the rear view camera or the fucking tail lights and you loose steering.

You will never be able to repair your own electric car, they will never be at a salvage yard to pick your own parts, the batteries will never be recyclable, and we are one major fire in an underground parking lot away from them not being allowed in parking lots.

 

[416_Refugee]

I've repaired my own vehicles for as long as I've been driving (which is a long fucking time sadly) and I remember the old timers complaining about the first iterations of EFI, and how you couldn't fix it because it was this black box...

I used the early internet (shitty but awesome HTML web pages, mailing lists, IRC, etc) and whatever other resources were available (printed FSM's) to learn how the system worked, and acquired a scan tool (pre-OBD, a "Monitor 2000" that you could get different ROM cartridges and cable adapters to support different manufacturer's EFI systems). I figured that shit out.

Today, you have the internet that every car thing to be figured out gets crowdsourced. There's lots of info out there about CAN diagnostics, etc... I've been lucky that all the CAN vehicles I've had have been pretty robust so haven't needed to delve into it, but do know that when the time comes, there are plenty of resources out there. There's never been a time where there's more info available for whatever subject. Things don't have to be a black box if you can spend the time, effort and ambition... (which is a big "IF" I realize - but so many people do not spend their time optimally, me included)

 

[Radicalfarminist]

This is why I keep an old Plymouth with a slant six in my yard, that thing will outlive my grandchildren.

 

[Hirudinea]

@Radicalfarminist

An elegant weapon for a more civilized age.

 

[Oderus]

I still think all this electric car crap was pushed out in Alpha version because they hoped most of us were dead or will be dead anyway, so it wouldn't matter. Basically a road to nowhere.

 

[brutana_dilewski]

yeah i think they were hoping for the safe and effective to kill more of us, thank God it could have been much worse.

 

[border_humper]

Slate truck is interesting.

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