Hospital told father they were going to remove son off life support and harvest organs. He takes son to USA hospital and kid recovers. Insane

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USA hospitals are not any better. You can find plenty horror stories down there specially as the entire industry is captured by insurance and pharmaceutical corporations.
 
USA hospitals are not any better. You can find plenty horror stories down there specially as the entire industry is captured by insurance and pharmaceutical corporations.
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Sorry, but that's not true. I have two parents, one is alive, the other is deceased. Both had serious illnesses. One had surgery in Canada, the other in the USA. Take a guess which one is still alive.

You can argue it's anecdotal, but I was part of both experiences and they were night and day with regards to assessment, patient care, followup, and so-on.

I am not saying there is no corruption or malpractice in US hospitals. I accept reality. However there are some key differences between taking the public route in Canada and the private route in the US.

In Canada: a patient is a drain on the system, therefore there is no incentive to take care of them. The government funds the institution.

In the USA: a patient (who is purchasing healthcare services) is a customer and as such, there is some incentive to serve the customer. The procedure one of my parents needed to stay alive wasn't even offered in Canada, the USA was our only option (So the fact that more options are available state-side makes their system better)

In Canada: I have to wait until a government approved doctor is available and taking patients:

In the USA: I can go to a clinic and pay for a doctor like any other product or service (what a concept!)

My main point is this: We have been conditioned by institutions up here to believe that access to healthcare and quality of healthcare is better because we remove the profitability incentive and the services are instead managed by the altruism of the government health institutions. We are also conditioned to believe that access to healthcare in the US is completely unaffordable and unsustainable because the prices set are too high for anyone to reasonably pay.

While there may be some nuggets of truth in this, I have to hammer home the point that without freedom of choice, the probability of a quality option existing for anyone looking for a product or service is severely reduced.

The US system allows for this choice. Canada (with a few exceptions) does not.

This is why I advocate for a private option up here as well. If I have money and I am sick I would rather spend my money here than the USA. However the government doesn't allow me to do that for the most part.
 
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"My main point is this: We have been conditioned by institutions up here to believe that access to healthcare and quality of healthcare is better because we remove the profitability incentive and the services are instead managed by the altruism of the government health institutions. We are also conditioned to believe that access to healthcare in the US is completely unaffordable and unsustainable because the prices set are too high for anyone to reasonably pay."

That is the very core of the problem, the lies about the system. I believe there are only 2 systems in the world that do not allow private payment for health services, Canada and Cuba! That is nothing to be proud of. Even in socialist paradise Nordic countries you can go private. We have to kill the sacred cow of "Public" healthcare in Canada or it will surely kill us.
 
There's countless examples of people heading south of the border and receiving better treatment. Is it expensive? Yes, but how much is the life of you or your loved one worth?

In the USA: a patient (who is purchasing healthcare services) is a customer and as such, there is some incentive to serve the customer.
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This applies to almost everything. If you aren't the customer, you don't receive quality service. That's a fact.

Anyone that's had to travel for work can tell you the same. If the company books your flight or hotel, the company is the customer, not you. They will treat you like absolute garbage. If you book/pay for it under your name, you receive better service.
 
There is massive consolidation happened over the last 20 years in the States and will continue to accelerate into the future. The physician-owned practices are rapidly dwindling and insurance-led network hospitals and practices are rapidly increasing.

Instead of vast public bureaucratic healthcare system there will be vast-private bureaucratic healthcare system.

Good luck getting alternative/cheaper medicine as pharmaceutical industry pretty much captured that part of medical care over century ago.

Ideal system for me would be what the States once had fraternal societies that had doctors on retainer.
 
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Again, exactly right. The left says Canada doesn't have a "Two-Tier" health care system, it does, the United States is the second tier, the only difference is that only the rich can access the second tier, if you're poor get in line and shut the fuck up, or die, the left doesn't care which.
 
Now think of how many people simply believed the hospital and unplugged life support.
 
We had this happen to my Uncle in feb 2022 after the covid booster filled him with blood clots, then the ventilator destroyed his lungs. They didn't even give him a week to recover, they convinced the family to let him die.

Then again in June 2024, my 27 year old sister-in-law got sick because of an infection THE HOSPITAL GAVE HER. Then she developed pneumonia, they put her on a ventilator, destroyed her lungs. Brought in "The Tree"(Covid treatment protocols medication/pumps). They put her in a medically induced coma. Then convinced the family to let her die. I wasn't around for that. I was there in time to say goodbye and watch her die.

My advice is to avoid the hospitals at all costs. If it's medically necessary, good luck and NEVER GO ALONE. Always have someone you trust to fight/advocate for you.
 
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